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Home ImprovementWhy does this receptacle have the ground tied to the neutral?
[+47] [7] Scott Stafford
[2012-01-10 03:27:35]
[ electrical receptacle grounding neutral ]
[ https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/11275/why-does-this-receptacle-have-the-ground-tied-to-the-neutral ]

I was replacing some outlets in my house with tamper-resistant ones, and came across one where the white and ground were wired together, as seen in this picture. Why? Is that okay or appropriate ever? It was clearly done on purpose.

When the house was inspected, the inspector detected significant current on the ground. Is it possible that this wiring is the reason?

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(2) I've heard of people mistakenly bonding ground and neutral in a subpanel... but this is taking it too far! :-) - Jay Bazuzi
(12) Seeing the mixed use of screw terminals and back stab tetminals, throws a red flag to me that somebody with little experience has messed with this wiring. - Tester101
(1) Under NEC, verboten. - Fiasco Labs
[+38] [2012-01-10 03:52:43] Steven

Yikes, good find! This is most definitely the reason. The ground and neutral are only supposed to be tied together at the main panel. In this case, instead of only the neutral carrying current, both the ground and neutral will carry it.

There is no legit reason that I know of to do this at an outlet. I wonder if perhaps the neutral was open and the previous person was trying to cheat to make the outlet work? Do disconnect this. I would check other outlets in the house. An outlet tester [1] may help speed this up but they don't detect all conditions.

Grounding is an important safety aspect of your house. If you suspect there is a more systemic problem with the houses grounding, get an electrician to take a look. Better safe than sorry.

[1] http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?keyword=outlet+tester&selectedCatgry=SEARCH+ALL&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&Ntpc=1&Ntpr=1

(7) Those little testers are great, but I don't think they can detect this condition. Note that the testers don't detect neutral & ground reversed. Consider that neutral and ground are bonded at the main panel. - Jay Bazuzi
(3) Be sure to check that both ground and neutral are okay. I would really want to find the other end of this wire to see how it's connected, as this looks very strange. I can't think of a reason to do this (considering there are no downstream circuits) aside from maybe a broken wire? If this is done this way, there are likely other strange/wrong things and so you should not make any assumptions about anything you're working on. - gregmac
Greg is right, this may be a sign that the neutral is not good all the way back to the panel and the ground was used to complete the circuit. Or maybe the installer just made a mistake. Pull the neutral to ground wire and check for proper voltages. - shirlock homes
Steven's answer is good advise. Check out other outlets for the same condition. - shirlock homes
I've seen it done when the home was built without a ground line in the electrical system (1950's). It's not right, but it would pass the little plug-in tester. However, the ground wire going back into the wall makes me think this isn't the case and the others are on the right track with the broken ground or neutral suspicion. - BMitch
My bet is that someone just didn't know what they are doing. Using the push in connector in conjunction with the screw terminal is a bit odd IMO. Either that or the neutral is open. - Steven
I hope Scott let's us know what he finds. Lots of possibilities on this one guys. - shirlock homes
I put in a new 3 prong outlet and wired it "normally". I tested it with a cheap plug-in tester and it shows an "open ground". The house is old - I guess this outlet branches off a 2-conductor line and the ground is dangling on the other side? - Scott Stafford
Do other outlets in your house test the same way? It might be a problem with that one circuit of part thereof, or it might be a larger issue. - Steven
Everyone is quick to point how stupid the setup that is shown in the photo is, and rightfully so. Then we go on to explain why it's stupid. Good info. But we haven't really answered the question directly. Jay Bazuzi hit on the answer in the first comment: one should bond neutral to ground at the service entrance. That is the one correct answer to the question. Everything else is supportive information. - bcworkz
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[+24] [2013-05-23 14:50:39] Tom [ACCEPTED]

It's called a bootlegged ground [1]. This is commonly done in older houses that had a two prong receptacle and was updated to a three prong receptacle. The old house didn't have a ground and this tricks the inspector's electric checker, so your house passes inspection.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg_ground

(24) While this answer is technically correct, it seems to almost endorse the practice. Bootleg grounds are a BAD thing and very unsafe. - Speedy Petey
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[+14] [2015-01-15 21:17:06] ChiefTwoPencils

Considering there is some amount of either wrong, or maybe just misleading, information regarding your broad question which, in turn, can lead to ambiguities and poor and/or dangerous actions, I, a real electrician, will add my hat in the ring backed by the NEC.

Because many people may search and find this post, as it is very generally asked, and in a given situation may opt to run a new grounded circuit to fix this problem and find themselves staring at the exact same situation in their panel, I think it's important to note it is not always wrong to bond the grounded (neutral) and grounding (ground) systems together.

From IAEI [1], thoroughly explained in NEC Article 250 - Grounding and Bonding. (empasis mine):

The main bonding jumper is one of the most critical elements in the safety grounding system. This conductor is the link between the grounded service conductor, the equipment grounding conductor and in some cases, the grounding electrode conductor. The primary purpose of the main bonding jumper is to carry the ground-fault current from the service enclosure as well as from the equipment grounding system that is returning to the source. In addition, where the grounding electrode conductor is connected directly to the grounded service conductor bus, the main bonding jumper ensures that the equipment grounding bus is at the same potential as the earth.

NEC 250.35 Grounding Service-Supplied Alternating-Current Systems

(A) System Grounding Connections.

A premise wiring system supplied by a grounded ac service shall have a grounding electrode conductor connected to the grounded service conductor, at each service, in accordance with 250.24(A)(1) through (A)(5).

Again this is to answer the naive statement that they should never be connected. The National Electrical Code absolutely disagrees with that and removing this connection is indeed detrimental to the safety of your system - don't remove it!

Now to address the specific context of your situation:

That wiring configuration is indeed wrong and hazardous. The least dangerous part is using a single grounding screw to "tap" the green and white wires. This isn't correct. If nothing else was wrong with your pic, those wires should be tapped together with a pigtail going to the terminal. The worst part is the actual joining of the two systems together - at this location. That's just wrong.

From a logical standpoint, what would be accomplished in having two separate wires only to join them? From a safety standpoint, in an unbalanced circuit the neutral carries the unbalanced load back to the panel. So the "electrician" willfully energized the safety system in your home. It is okay to do this at the service/main because at this point they both have the same potential as the earth.

If you're in a home where the work in some or all areas is done this way, making it typical for your dwelling, call an electrician to devise a plan to fix it.

One thing to consider is if the bare ground goes back into the wall, it could be that they were adding a grounding system to the building. This is common in some locales as an accepted means to add a legitimate grounding system. Check with your building department before doing. The issue here though is, despite the respectable effort, the final connection is wrong. If this is the case, it might be safe to assume all or many of your outlets are this way.

What to do? Well, you have a few options.

  1. If the grounding system in your pic is fine (per local building codes), but the connections are wrong, you can simply separate the connection and use a grounded outlet (NEC 406.4(D)(1)). I probably wouldn't recommend that unless you can, with certainty, verify it's otherwise correct. The work you show would make any self-respecting electrician cringe.

  2. If you'd prefer to play it safe and would rather be inconvenienced with non-grounding adapters, you can simply exchange it out for a non-grounding receptacle (NEC 406.4(D)(2)(a)). Obviously you won't be using that ground any longer.

  3. If neither of those are pleasing, you can opt to replace it with a GFCI provided you've labeled it "No Equipment Ground" (NEC 406.4(D)(2)(b)). You won't be using that ground in this situation either.

[1] http://iaeimagazine.org/magazine/1998/11/01/service-main-bonding-jumpers/

(2) I would like to clarify a few points: (1) for e.g. a residential single-phase system, the neutral should be bonded to ground at ONE point (the main bonding jumper) so that neutral will be at or near ground potential. This is a cause for the neutral being near ground. This way, if there is a short between a hot wire and ground, high current will flow and the fuse or breaker will pop instead of the opposite phase being at 240V, or wavering around based on whatever resistive, capacitive and inductive loads are attached. - Technophile
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[+5] [2012-01-10 13:59:24] Guffa

No, the neutral and ground should never be wired together. This is wrong, and potentially dangerous.

When you plug in something in the outlet, the neutral will be live, as it closes the circuit. If the ground is wired to the neutral, the ground of the applicance will also be live. This can be felt as a tingling if you touch the grounded casing of the appliance, because most of the current still goes through the neutral where the lowest resistance is.

However, if there is something wrong and the neutral is disconnected, it will make the appliance dangerous. If you touch the casing, and some real ground (like a water pipe) at the same time, you will close the circuit and carry all of the current.

So, connecting the ground to neutral totally defeats the purpose of having a ground, and actually makes it more dangerous than not having the ground at all.

When the inspector was measuring the ground, he was actually measuring the neutral, which naturally shows a current when something is connected somewhere in the circuit.


(1) How do you square this "never" with Simon Richter's answer? (even though it's clearly wrong in this case because it's affecting the ground line for the house, rather than just the ground pin of the outlet) And "if there is something wrong and the neutral is disconnected" - well, what if, in a normal correct wiring situation, "there is something wrong" and both are disconnected? - Random832
(3) @Random832: If there is no proper ground line, you shouldn't use a grounded outlet in the first place. If the ground would get disconnected in a correct wiring, it's still not dangerous like connecting the ground to the neutral, because the casing of the appliance will just be connected to nothing. - Guffa
(1) Please keep comments civil and focused on improving the question and answer. If there is a discussion needed, please use the chat room. - BMitch
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[0] [2012-01-10 07:31:18] Simon Richter

That looks as if someone misunderstood something.

If there is no "proper" ground line, it is typical for the ground connector in the outlet to be wired to the neutral line. This gives a small voltage between the grounded metal parts of devices connected to it and true ground if phases are unbalanced, which is clearly suboptimal, but if you have a faulty device where a hot wire touches the case, that will at least blow the fuse.

It is however wrong to connect ground to neutral in the wall.


Certainly the wire coming into that box has a ground line, but I can't say for certain what it's wired to wherever it goes... - Scott Stafford
(3) If there is a ground line, there is never any reason to connect neutral and ground. - Simon Richter
(4) Typical; NO! I hope you learned that somewhere outside the US. If there's no ground, the typical thing to do is use an ungrounded receptacle or GFCI per NEC. Sub-optimal doesn't sufficiently describe purposefully passing voltage through the device yoke; I'd use asinine or straight stupid. - ChiefTwoPencils
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[-2] [2014-08-07 21:36:33] mark EE

The ground wire alone doesn't protect a person from getting a shock. the current that will pass through your body to earth will still depend on the point of contact, current density and body's impedance. even though the system is properly earthed, when metal a metal part becomes live you will still feel a little shock. This is the reason why we install RCD's to save us from currents above 30 mA which is below 60mA microshock (potential cause of fibrillation)


(1) True but not apparently relevant to the question asked. - The Evil Greebo
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[-9] [2015-07-09 17:16:54] michael girardi

I am a real electrician and on most of the older homes a jumper from nutruls went to ground. I been playing out here with you guys. Now i will answer your last question if you run under ground plastic pvc you dont want to use a ground rod. The way your main house panel is you can come back off the subpanel nutrals with a extra wire to all your grounds in garage or shed. You need to learn the old way was just as good as the new way.l just dont ground the box and yes it does work. And yes the inspector does not mess with me any more im hard headed. And his oulet is wrong the ground and nutral should be in box and seperate wires should go to outlet. The new thing today is they have a crazy made up idea that a seperate ground is safer for lightning bullshit all most all

of the old houses are still standing or fell down from old age. When lighting strikes a main service it will go right back to ground rod. Not come back up the nutrals. Lighting does not ever take the long path on under ground power to your house if you have one hell of a run it blows out the power tranformer on pole and a small charge back the ground on the main handles it as far as it comming back a nother 150 feet plus will never happen to far of a path.you got a better chance of seeing god did it for thirty years and all my garages and sheds are still standing.over head is different change the new law every building over head needs a ground rod.


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